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Undertale: Can humans absorb monster souls?
Sans Hello and I'm on to yet another Undetale idea and this one may seem stupid or obvious but you'll see what I'm getting at in a moment. I was talking with another person on one of my earlier theories and it spawned an idea about how there's something weird about Undertale. In particular, I'm talking about the "L.O.V.E." mechanic and the "E.X.P." mechanic. In particular how they work and how we were told they work by Sans during the judgment hall.

We are told that we gain execution points when we kill someone. We are also told that once enough of these have been collected our level of violence increases which was a clever trick from Toby Fox, the creator of Undertale. Now here's where things get strange. This stuff is all pretty self explanatory and while I did paraphrase, I didn't change anything enough to skew what was being said. To simplify it, we kill people to gain EXP and once we reach a certain amount our LOVE goes up. Now that this is really obvious to anyone reading we can continue.

Chara ended the world with just a meager level 20 of LOVE. Now, it's no easy feat to reach this because some research revealed you have to kill 98 people before you reach the end cut scene. One ironic thing to note is that when you fight Sans you HP is 98 and only goes up to 99 once you hit level 20; however, this is seems irrelevant and I'll continue on. Now she reached that by killing exclusively monsters but something isn't right. We see that when she's at this level she some how gains the knowledge of how to utilize this new found power and destroys the world. The problem comes from the sheer low amount of people she has to kill in order to obtain this power.

Humans can't absorb monster souls, it's stated right there in the opening of the game. It's the reason why the war from the prologue even begins. So the monsters are not the source of the power but this is a no brainer, it's said we can't absorb their souls and it's only be stated that the requirements are killing people. This just doesn't make any sense with humanity right above them and the wars they've been waged. You mean to tell me there has never been a single human with a kill count of more than 98? I don't agree with it, the nuclear bombs says other wise and the World Wars too. So what is going on here?

Well we don't know and the rest of this is purely speculation to try and cover up that plot whole. Before the official speculation begins, let me just post a reply for those would be counters that might make use of Chara's time with the Underground to counter this. That can not counter this in any way what so ever. Humans can utilize the power of their souls if they're sufficiently trained in magic. That's how the barrier was formed to trap the monsters. Chara never exhibits any magical powers in the game or in the lore, not even Determination based powers, with the exception being her stealing ours in the bad ending. If she had at least determination powers she could have undone the incident with Asgore and the butter cup flowers.

Furthermore, unless I'm mistaken then a human can't pass through the barrier alone. Unless humans can absorb monster souls then they were essentially stuck down there. Anyways, on with my points...

NOW it's purely speculations.

All that's needed to increase EXP and LOVE is killing people and by the end of genocide then Chara has 98 kills under her belt. How did she have the power to destroy the universe if that's all it takes? There are most definitely people who've tallied more than 98 kills under their belt yet this sort of thing never happened before. So unless I'm missing a dues ex machina here-I'm not-then something is seriously up with this thing. One proposition is that humans can absorb monster souls but only very little amounts at a time, hence the little EXP thing going up a little when we kill enemies.

It could work because clearly something is missing from the formula we were given. Frisk/Chara are the only ones to successfully destroy the world and they only killed a bunch of monsters. The person that dropped the nuclear bomb makes that look like nothing. If I am to believe what I'm told about all of surviving monster kind only being equal to 1 human soul than it's clearly not a matter of souls. In that case it might be the magic dust that appears when a monsters magical body disappears. If it's not magic then it has to be the little bit of physicality they need because they do still have some just not much...

All in all I personally think Toby Fox just left a plot hole in the story while trying to be all like "Ha ha! I tricked you because other games have conditioned you!" and he just let it slip. Oh well, it's fun to look at these things. What do you think about it all? Is there an error or did I just miss something again? Let me know in the comment section below.
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The character in this journal is and original character made exclusively for Red vs Blue fan fictions.

Name: Adam Christopher Linux
Age: 21
Occupation: Simulation Soldier
Rank: Private First Class
Armor Color: Electric Blue
Station: Blood Gulch outpost #1
Mission History:
Operation Omnicron
Operation Cobra

Species: Human
Gender: Male
Height: 6ft
Build: Very Muscular
Skin Tone: Light Tan
Eye Color: Green
Hair Color: Auburn

Biography:
Adam Linux was born on a colony world in the outskirts of United Nations Space Command territory. The world had a heavy military presence and acted as a staging point for world further out from the inner colonies. Exposed to U.N.S.C. propaganda early in age, he is fiercely loyal to the U.N.S.C. and some would even say zealous when he signed up as a volunteer at the age of 18. He finished boot camp after 3 years of training and was given the rank of Sargent. He showed promise with advanced tactical thinking on the battle field and moderate leadership skills but he never had the opportunity to see combat under the command of U.N.S.C. forces. Almost immediately after boot camp, he was transferred to Project: Freelancer where he became an active agent. He was given the armor ability Over shield and the A.I. Omnicron to run it.

He served under the project for less than a year an took part in only two missions, Omnicron and Cobra. During Operation Cobra Linux was separated from his strike team and was forced to be late during the extraction, resulting in injury and capture by insurrectionist forces. He was only missing in action for 7 days before he was located and recovered. Unfortunately, the interrogation methods used on him resulted in brain trauma and a severe case of retrograde amnesia in addition to decreased reaction time and damaged logical thinking. He was deemed unfit for duty and the Director of the project had him placed in rehabilitation and then the Simulation Trooper experiment. Whether it was because the Director had a modicum of sympathy for him or some alterior motive is unknown. His armor upgrades, ability, and A.I. were stripped and he was demoted to the rank of P.F.C. for the remainder of his service.

He was stationed in Blood Gulch outpost #1 immediately after being discharged from the rehabilitation clinic. He still has nor recollection of his military service nor his time involved with the U.N.S.C. since joining boot camp. To protect his identity and against the possibility of an insurrectionist spy kidnapping him again in another attempt to get knowledge from him, his armor color was changed, his rank changed, and his identity. He is now Private First Class Adam Christopher Linux of Blue Team in the Simulation Trooper experiment.

About:
P.F.C. Linux specializes in close quarters combat prefers using shotguns and SMGs to the standard magnum and assault rifle. He also has developed a habit of using various jokes to pass time while on duty. Another habit he has developed is back talk to other soldiers. His favorite activity is reading and watching movies-favorite genres science fiction and comedy respectively. He has developed an unhealthy battle lust in his down time, whether this is a byproduct of the brain trauma is unknown.

Linux has acquired two types of favorite foods since being in Blood Gulch. If he's allowed to get any food item he wants then he prefers enchiladas. If he has to pick from the rations they're sent then he chooses the instant beans and rice M.R.E.s. His favorite sport is Griff Ball and his non-sport exercise is sparring. His favorite dessert is pie-he doesn't really discriminate between them-and his favorite drink is orange juice. Linux has also found himself handy with spray painting things-usually red base-and/or carving things if he doesn't have a book available.

[ - End of File - ]
Asriel and Chara are weaker than you think!
Ah Undertale, I'm back at it again with another Undertale theory-erm hypothesis?-and you already know the subject of today's topic. How powerful are Asriel and Chara at the height of their power, Pacifist and Genocide time lines? Well that's a really tricky one to answer and I don't have a precise answer my self. There's not really anything we can compare their feats to in real life. I can-however-put a general ball park on where we can guess their power levels to be, in comparison to us or fictional universes.

Let's start with the first in the title, Asriel Dreamurr. His best feats are reality warping and destroying the world, which is all pretty impressive when you think about how the most powerful invention humans have isn't even comparable to a black hole. Now here is the problem, people are assuming most of this and filling in the gaps with logic-which is normally good but when analyzing some one's feats we just can't do that. Asriel was going to destroy the world so he could play with us-he still thought we were Chara during this time frame, remember?-but he never actually beat us. We outlasted him in the fight and he collapsed because he lost the will to fight us. That covers world destroying but what about reality warping?

He didn't reality warp, at least not the "real" reality in the game. The most he ever did was warp the battle menu and-as we've seen from Sans and Asgore-you don't need to be uber powerful to do that. While his level of manipulation was clearly above theirs, it doesn't change the fact that moderately powerful monsters could still do it-without the aid of determination. You might even be able to make the argument that he absorbed the ability from those two which might be the reason for his ability to do so to the extreme. As for Determination and saves, we know they're only effected by determination and not power-so this doesn't attribute anything to it as we've seen that you simply need to have a high enough determination level to access them. So we have covered Asriel, which only lives his adopted sibling-Chara Dreamurr.

While we can argue about Chara's origins all day long-there is no doubt that by the end of a Genocide/No Mercy time line they have the ability to destroy the world-for real this time. Unlike the battle with Asriel, we really can do nothing without them controlling which certainly adds to how much more powerful a "evil" soul is over a bunch of good souls. This is where it gets tricky and I've gotten into battles with fellow Undertale fans about. I'm going to cut this paragraph shot, prematurely, so that I have a fresh one to analyze and discuss Chara's "world destroying" abilities...

At the end of the Genocide/No Mercy time line Chara has absorbed enough power from us and the dead monsters to destroy the world. In doing so, they (From now forth referred to as her.) become aware that the world they once knew to be true is a video game. This can be seen when she directly talks to the player during the ending cut scene for a genocide time line. Now that we have no doubt that Chara understands her world is nothing more than a game-even going so far as corrupting the save and load files after a Genocide/No Mercy playthrough-we are 100% certain that Undertale's world is a game... wait what?-Not in the way you're thinking friend. You see, books and video games and movies are all "conduits" and allow us a to peer into their worlds and-in the case of games-interact with them. Now I'm making no sense, why was the fact that Undertale is a game have anything to do with the in-universe stuff? Hold on I'm getting there.

You see, Undertale is a very peculiar case and is in a category of fiction that rarely occurs, for now we'll call it "partial self-aware" fiction. The game goes to a certain degree of "meta" in which it realizes it is a game-sort of. Since we don't have the technological capacity for these works of fiction to break the fourth wall and literally interact with us, it's all scripted... this is all getting confusing huh? I'm not making much sense huh? Well I'll try to clear up what I'm saying. Since the cannon of Undertale-anything that happens in game-acknowledges that it its self is a game then that's what that world is. It's a game about a video game and not a game about a fictional story...

You see, when Toby Fox added in that portion with Save and Load mechanics being cannon to the story he doomed the world it was set in. Most games are about fictional events and settings-which is something Undertale still follows but it is much closer to Deadpool than other games. The in-universe explanation for the world is that it is a game and there is the fatal flaw of how powerful the Undertale characters are...

If you have ever tried to program a game-I made a few prototypes using Game Maker and its drag and drop features-then you know that if the code for that thing doesn't exist then it's not there to use or call upon. You can't use a line of code or environment that doesn't exist in the game's files. Using this, we can now properly identify just how large Undertale really is. Every single playable area, whether it be free roaming, battle screens, or conversation boxes, is an actual area in the Undertale world. That area beyond the horizon at the end though? It doesn't exist because there is no area there in the game's files. Anything in the files exists and is a part of Undertale's world but if it is NOT in the files then it is not a part of the world.

So by comparison, they don't have a full world Earth like us. They only have those glimpses of "the surface" and there is nothing beyond that. There is no territory in the files that connects the beach Undyne and Alphys were at in the end-credits with the highway that Papyrus and Sans are driving on. We just make the assumption because that's how the real world works-but we need to stop making the assumption because Undertale is not a copy of a real world, it's a copy of a game, more specifically the structure. Of course, this can all be simplified into one sentence:

The cannon for Undertale is that their world is a game and since their world is a game, if we don't see the location in the files then it's not in the game.

Now that that long portion of proving how small Undertale's world really is is over, we can continue with another part. It should be common knowledge to anyone with access to this site that-the bigger something is, the more energy is takes to power it and keep it functioning.  You take less energy than a star to live but you certainly take more energy than an ant needs. More energy goes into sustaining you than a dog because A you live longer and B you're larger than one. Since we understand just how incredibly small the Undertale world is then we can compare it to our world in size. Try to imagine everywhere in our world-you can't because you don't have the processing capability to, that's how large it is. Then there is the universe that surrounds our world, which is infinitely larger than Earth which is infinitely larger the Undertale's world...

Now there is an argument that can be made on behalf of Undertale's power but it's pretty weak. One could claim that: "If the area is that much smaller than ours than all of that energy has to be put somewhere, so it would only make sense that the characters-since they take up a larger portion of their world-would be more powerful than us." The only problem with claiming this is that this rule would have to apply to ALL fiction and not just that world. While it may fit with certain titles that have been shown to have a smaller universe than ours, like Dragon Ball Z, it falls short when you consider things like DC and Marvel. Superman has infinite strength, he literally lifted infinity, and that would require more energy than Omega(1 Infinity) on the Alec scale. Since infinity is never ending in our universe than we don't have infinite power, so equal power but unequal density would be impossible.

Anyways, this has got to be my longest one yet. What do you think? Good? Bad? Needs some work? Tell me in the comments!
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Is Undertale Insulting?
NOTICE: I do not own this art, it belongs to the copyright holder of Undertale...

I love the game and, in particular, the genocide story line. I like how Sans gives a challenging fight and some of the revamped music. Unfortunately, there is one thing I don't like. When you do the genocide story line once, and sometimes multiple times, the game flat out insults you. Particularly on your motive for playing the game. This is something I don't like, confusing huh?

Well, I am all for one about breaking the fourth wall. One of my favorite games was Spec. Ops: The Line because it did so. What I don't like is when I am essentially called a sick fuck by the creator for playing a damn video game. I say the creator because Toby Fox knew what he was doing when he put that in there, that so called "perverse" reason Chara mentions.

Does anyone else get annoyed when Toby Fox calls them sick for playing a fucking game? Honestly, it's like activision had a child. Constantly insults us while we play the game and then gets a shit ton of praise for the simplistic game they produce...
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Gaster was killed!?
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Hello again! It's me, geeze I'm starting to sound a bit like Golden Freddy; anyways, I have another theory for Undertale! Well, more like conspiracy theory, not that it matters. As you can tell, this theory is about the most cryptic character in the game, Gaster, and what may have caused his death.

To make is short and blunt, I think Sans killed Gaster. Now, it might seem simple and short because Sans has the Gaster Blasters, but I don't think that's all their is to it. In fact, I think there is quiet a bit about it that most might overlook.

1. The Gaster Blasters
There is a common fan theory that Gaster, also known as W.D. Gaster, was the creator of Sans and Papyrus. Mostly due to the theory that the W.D. in Gasters name means "Wing Dings" which is a font like Comic-Sans and Papyrus. The fan theory about him being the creator explains him experimenting on Sans creating the Gaster Blasters. This leads to the second point...

2. Gaster might have been experimenting on living subjects
It is quiet possible Sans wouldn't have been the only experiment, seeing as Dr. Alphys supposedly picked up where he left off in his work on the nature of determination. I highly doubt the experiments were painless given that Gaster seemed to work with determination a lot and the fact that determination seemed to melt monsters. This leads to the third point...

3. Sans killed Gaster out of vengeance and morals
Why? Because he was put through the same painful experiments involving determination; however, he survived and escaped with Papyrus while they were still young. I think Sans and Papyrus were the only successful determination experiment and Gaster tried to recreate it; however, ever time was a failure. Why would I even think Sans and Papyrus were a determination experiment? Well...

4. They are both determined
Papyrus is trying a whole bunch of stuff and never seems to give up on becoming a member of the royal guard. What about Sans? He's super lazy right?! Well, no. Think about the genocide timeline. Despite everything you do, he's determined to see his promise through until you kill almost everyone. Then he becomes determined to stop you, he even mentions he can't afford to not care anymore. Additionally, he and Undyne are the only ones to feature glowing LEFT eyes while powered by determination. But, why not kill Alphys too if she was using monsters for determination experiments?

5. Alphys only used dead or near dead monsters for the experiment.
Sans killed Gaster BECAUSE he was using living experiments, but where's the evidence? His followers were the results. We see them on the same level we see Gaster because Sans fought Gaster at the core and killed him with his experiments... But why doesn't anyone remember him then?

6. I think Sans reset the timeline!
What? How! He doesn't have enough determination! Well, Flowey did it. I think Sans reset it after Chara and Asriel perished. In fact, I think he appeared after Toriel locked herself in the ruins and grew up in the time gap between Chara's death and the next human. If this were true, then Sans would have been the only one with enough determination to change the timeline. Remember when you killed Flowey and then resetting? He didn't reappear until the end of the game. The cases were the same, one had more determination than the other one, which also had determination, hence Gasters partially melted face. Just like with Flowey, the memories are partially there, but incomplete.

Like every good theory, there are a few holes in this. What do you think about Gaster's mysterious death and how Sans is connected to him? Feedback is always welcome... Oh, no one has confirmed Gaster's gender either so... yeah... Have a great day everyone!
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The character in this journal is and original character made exclusively for Red vs Blue fan fictions.

Name: Adam Christopher Linux
Age: 21
Occupation: Simulation Soldier
Rank: Private First Class
Armor Color: Electric Blue
Station: Blood Gulch outpost #1
Mission History:
Operation Omnicron
Operation Cobra

Species: Human
Gender: Male
Height: 6ft
Build: Very Muscular
Skin Tone: Light Tan
Eye Color: Green
Hair Color: Auburn

Biography:
Adam Linux was born on a colony world in the outskirts of United Nations Space Command territory. The world had a heavy military presence and acted as a staging point for world further out from the inner colonies. Exposed to U.N.S.C. propaganda early in age, he is fiercely loyal to the U.N.S.C. and some would even say zealous when he signed up as a volunteer at the age of 18. He finished boot camp after 3 years of training and was given the rank of Sargent. He showed promise with advanced tactical thinking on the battle field and moderate leadership skills but he never had the opportunity to see combat under the command of U.N.S.C. forces. Almost immediately after boot camp, he was transferred to Project: Freelancer where he became an active agent. He was given the armor ability Over shield and the A.I. Omnicron to run it.

He served under the project for less than a year an took part in only two missions, Omnicron and Cobra. During Operation Cobra Linux was separated from his strike team and was forced to be late during the extraction, resulting in injury and capture by insurrectionist forces. He was only missing in action for 7 days before he was located and recovered. Unfortunately, the interrogation methods used on him resulted in brain trauma and a severe case of retrograde amnesia in addition to decreased reaction time and damaged logical thinking. He was deemed unfit for duty and the Director of the project had him placed in rehabilitation and then the Simulation Trooper experiment. Whether it was because the Director had a modicum of sympathy for him or some alterior motive is unknown. His armor upgrades, ability, and A.I. were stripped and he was demoted to the rank of P.F.C. for the remainder of his service.

He was stationed in Blood Gulch outpost #1 immediately after being discharged from the rehabilitation clinic. He still has nor recollection of his military service nor his time involved with the U.N.S.C. since joining boot camp. To protect his identity and against the possibility of an insurrectionist spy kidnapping him again in another attempt to get knowledge from him, his armor color was changed, his rank changed, and his identity. He is now Private First Class Adam Christopher Linux of Blue Team in the Simulation Trooper experiment.

About:
P.F.C. Linux specializes in close quarters combat prefers using shotguns and SMGs to the standard magnum and assault rifle. He also has developed a habit of using various jokes to pass time while on duty. Another habit he has developed is back talk to other soldiers. His favorite activity is reading and watching movies-favorite genres science fiction and comedy respectively. He has developed an unhealthy battle lust in his down time, whether this is a byproduct of the brain trauma is unknown.

Linux has acquired two types of favorite foods since being in Blood Gulch. If he's allowed to get any food item he wants then he prefers enchiladas. If he has to pick from the rations they're sent then he chooses the instant beans and rice M.R.E.s. His favorite sport is Griff Ball and his non-sport exercise is sparring. His favorite dessert is pie-he doesn't really discriminate between them-and his favorite drink is orange juice. Linux has also found himself handy with spray painting things-usually red base-and/or carving things if he doesn't have a book available.

[ - End of File - ]

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